Chess Engines Are Wrong About These Positions

Join NM Sam Copeland ( @The Best Of Chess Channel ) as he breaks down 5 chess positions that chess engines don't understand. Despite the clear superiority of engines, there ARE positions which chess engines don't (and possibly can't) understand that are quite comprehensible for human players. Typically these positions showcase the human ability to think creatively and formulate plans and understand long-term factors in the position.

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  • Elías Seoane Bucio
    Elías Seoane BucioMuaj më parë

    Well, I took the time to download the latest version of Stockfish and let it run through these positions and, as surprising as it is, it did come up with the right ideas in every puzzle except for the first one (I was too lazy to wait for it). In some puzzles it is true that it evaluated the position as losing, or with an advantage for black, when it was a draw, but even in those cases its best move was the one showed in the video

  • Jonathan Tewodros
    Jonathan TewodrosMuaj më parë

    What is in the first position after white plays b4, what if black plays axd3, or cxd3?

  • Swanand Kopardekar
    Swanand KopardekarMuaj më parë

    Sorry. The sequence suggested by me in my last comment does not work.

  • Swanand Kopardekar
    Swanand KopardekarMuaj më parë

    In the first position, what if black sacrifices his queen for the rook and then king takes pawn

  • Steven B.
    Steven B.Muaj më parë

    In the first example, what if black plays for a knight of a queen

  • Katleho Phakisi
    Katleho PhakisiMuaj më parë

    But it depends on skill tho

  • Katleho Phakisi
    Katleho PhakisiMuaj më parë

    The perpetual check with the rook is evadable if you find a way to capture with your queen

  • Bryan TS
    Bryan TSMuaj më parë

    9:03 4th Positition: why not rb8? Dont tell me black gonna spam check with rook(rc2,ra2,ra4, and so on) Edit: wait, shouldnt this work? Rb8 rc2+, ka3 ra2+, kb4 ra4+, kb5 rb4+, kc6 rc4+, kb7 rb4+, ka8 rxb8+, kxb8 and then spam b pawn?

  • WIDAAD BINTI MUZAMAL Moe
    WIDAAD BINTI MUZAMAL MoeMuaj më parë

    waawwww awesome

  • -Zelda-
    -Zelda-Muaj më parë

    I tested all of those positions and SF 14 was able to come up with all of them in a couple of seconds

  • 999Goat
    999GoatMuaj më parë

    3:14 fake, black did not en passant

  • Row YT
    Row YTMuaj më parë

    3:13 mate ur waffling the move is an-passant a4xb3 it protects the pawn attacks the rook unsoubles the pawns on the a file and reinstates the amazing pawn structure if rook takes a2 then pawn takes and now u have to play kb2 to stop making a queen and the a pawn is going nowhare as you still cant move youre knight

  • Walker online
    Walker onlineMuaj më parë

    Title: Top 5 positions engines don't understand. Me(a human):Also don't understands Me:Maybe I am an Engine. My brain: 🗿Stonks↗️

  • Crispebakein
    CrispebakeinMuaj më parë

    In the first position, would it be better for black to promote the pawn to a knight instead? That way they can move the knight out, blocking the rook so white can’t promote their pawn.

  • Avian Yuen
    Avian YuenMuaj më parë

    First position: that's because engines are designed to win chess games, not solve Rush Hour puzzles 🤣

  • Divesh
    DiveshMuaj më parë

    3:09 'En Passant' White Is Gone 😂😂😂

  • JustenoughRandomness
    JustenoughRandomnessMuaj më parë

    hold on stockfish 14 checkmated black in the first position

  • Funny Memes
    Funny Memes2 muaj më parë

    Sometimes you just guess the winning move easily. But then you have no plan.

  • Luna Lunar Höflechner
    Luna Lunar Höflechner2 muaj më parë

    I've tryed every position and my Stockfish 14 engine, on my Mobile Phone, did solve them all (after finding rhe right time control).

  • Sudeep Shetty
    Sudeep Shetty2 muaj më parë

    In the 1st position why Enpassant with "a" pawn was not done

  • Sean Miller

    Sean Miller

    Muaj më parë

    After b4 and either axb3/cxb3 is done (doesn't matter which) you get Rxa2, bxa3, Kb2 will stop the promotion of the queen, and white can now advance to either a4/c4 depending on which pawn captured enpassent, allowing them to move their knight to either a3 or c3 and allowing the rook to escape via the b file

  • Marzhmello
    Marzhmello2 muaj më parë

    what if the queen captures on b1? the first position of course.

  • Cai Jun wei

    Cai Jun wei

    2 muaj më parë

    king take, white still has material advantage and the pawn chain is broken

  • Polygon Death
    Polygon Death2 muaj më parë

    3:15 illegal move, a3xb3 or c3xb3 is forced by all rules of chess

  • Matthew Dallalana
    Matthew Dallalana2 muaj më parë

    In the final example why can black not capture on g2 with the queen?

  • Pawnpusher
    Pawnpusher2 muaj më parë

    Engines are 3800?

  • Cai Jun wei

    Cai Jun wei

    2 muaj më parë

    @Pawnpusher watch chess.coms video on top 10 engines

  • Pawnpusher

    Pawnpusher

    2 muaj më parë

    @Cai Jun wei I just googled top chess engines and they are 3500...

  • Cai Jun wei

    Cai Jun wei

    2 muaj më parë

    Yes and Magnus is 2800 or 2900 fide elo

  • Conall Prince
    Conall Prince2 muaj më parë

    Position 4: I guess e8 makes you invulnerable now lol

  • Akash Shinde
    Akash Shinde2 muaj më parë

    unbelievable

  • x_x
    x_x2 muaj më parë

    5:48 why the f*cking f*ck the white king does not eat the pawn in 5e ?

  • Cai Jun wei

    Cai Jun wei

    2 muaj më parë

    @x_x idk go to lichess or something

  • x_x

    x_x

    2 muaj më parë

    @Cai Jun wei no!

  • Cai Jun wei

    Cai Jun wei

    2 muaj më parë

    still a draw

  • Ph3nomen0N
    Ph3nomen0N2 muaj më parë

    That last one is insane, really beautiful

  • Dheemanth 5689
    Dheemanth 56892 muaj më parë

    Make a video on Vishwanathan Anand's top 5 queen sacrifices.

  • Med Dem
    Med Dem2 muaj më parë

    theee position, theee theee theee, not the, theee! theee black king! theee! not the! be smart! say theee!

  • Rakhim, Abdul
    Rakhim, Abdul2 muaj më parë

    ... looks like I got a wrong video for my daily dose of Baka Mitai chess meme...

  • Lukys Pukys
    Lukys Pukys2 muaj më parë

    the first position white win look on lichess analysis

  • Kingfisher
    Kingfisher2 muaj më parë

    Dude, 7 ads on a 15 min video? You need a day job, that is so rape.

  • Kingfisher

    Kingfisher

    2 muaj më parë

    @Raymond Christopher Tanto I never gave it the chance. Just went to the next video

  • Raymond Christopher Tanto

    Raymond Christopher Tanto

    2 muaj më parë

    thats based on luck , sometimes when you hit the yellow mark it gives ad sometimes not

  • Play chess with me
    Play chess with me2 muaj më parë

    Brilliant was the first one

  • Keerthivasan B
    Keerthivasan B2 muaj më parë

    Why is the black pawn on h3 not taking the rook g2 when he brings the rook there?

  • Osama Ounallah Khamis
    Osama Ounallah Khamis2 muaj më parë

    This plan that Girl had is stunning

  • deft rascal
    deft rascal3 muaj më parë

    I know I’m making progress when seeing some of these positions makes me feel actually claustrophobic

  • deft rascal
    deft rascal3 muaj më parë

    I always hated that stalemate was a draw but if it weren’t for that these sort of positions wouldn’t work

  • BatoreQ
    BatoreQ3 muaj më parë

    KIZO OCHUJ

  • nikospitr
    nikospitr3 muaj më parë

    Amazing !

  • Nickelodion DV
    Nickelodion DV3 muaj më parë

    14:13 gxf2 king can to go h2 and its not a stalemate

  • Jeffrey Howard

    Jeffrey Howard

    3 muaj më parë

    White plays g3 check

  • ASHISH SINGH NAYAL
    ASHISH SINGH NAYAL3 muaj më parë

    Stockfish 13 can easily solve this puzzle

  • Raymond Christopher Tanto

    Raymond Christopher Tanto

    2 muaj më parë

    no

  • D. K.
    D. K.3 muaj më parë

    That Giri game is amazing.

  • D duck squad
    D duck squad3 muaj më parë

    Me🤝chess engine Not understanding these positions

  • Anonim90
    Anonim903 muaj më parë

    The fact that Stockfish dev solves most of these puzzles, and the rest it solves weakly (evaluation is wrong, but the moves are correct) just shows how incredible state of the art engine it is.

  • Pussy Slayer69
    Pussy Slayer693 muaj më parë

    Sheeshhh my g

  • diu lee
    diu lee3 muaj më parë

    What if the black plays en passant in the first position when white plays b4?

  • Cai Jun wei

    Cai Jun wei

    2 muaj më parë

    Pawn chain still broken

  • Ravi Korade
    Ravi Korade3 muaj më parë

    Hello, what if black Emphasant (3.10) pawn instead promoting queen?

  • Marin Šaltić

    Marin Šaltić

    3 muaj më parë

    I think you bring the king on a1 and then sack the rook, bring the other rook and push the pawn (depends where he en passants

  • Ravi Korade

    Ravi Korade

    3 muaj më parë

    3.10 -Black pawn a4 to a3 emphasant, then promoting queen black will easily win the game. Is it?

  • Music Karaoke
    Music Karaoke3 muaj më parë

    So does that mean that I am a chess engine? Cause I can't see it too

  • Bruce Wayne
    Bruce Wayne3 muaj më parë

    Couldn't black just capture en passant in the first one?

  • Marin Šaltić

    Marin Šaltić

    3 muaj më parë

    I think you bring the king on a1 and then sack the rook, bring the other rook and push the pawn (depends where he en passants)

  • Pizza Gamer
    Pizza Gamer3 muaj më parë

    That first one was just asking too much. Stockfish normaly checks 18 moves into the future. You need to tell it to keep going and it should find it. Chess AIs aren't wrong about positions that require 20+ moves, they just arent allowed to look far enough ahead.

  • Alcapunco
    Alcapunco3 muaj më parë

    9:31 1. Rb4 Rc2+ 2. Ka3 Ra2+ 3. Kxa2 Bc6 4. Rb8+ Be8 5. Rxe8#. Is another way to do it, the only way for black to move on round 3 is the bishop, and any bishop move black makes leads to checkmate. Correct me if I'm wrong

  • Russell Stephens
    Russell Stephens3 muaj më parë

    I you video owner can we play chess together

  • magixtwister
    magixtwister3 muaj më parë

    in the first position, why couldn't the black A or C pawns just en pessant the B pawn and be protecting the A2 pawn while attacking the rook? It'd be a much cleaner move for black to play, stop the past pawn and force black to move it's rook to the b file or surrender it, making black's victory nearly inevitable, no?

  • Marin Šaltić

    Marin Šaltić

    3 muaj më parë

    I think you bring the king on a1 and then sack the rook, bring the other rook and push the pawn (depends where he en passants

  • Erika Silva
    Erika Silva3 muaj më parë

    Engines watching the video: - Good luck forcing us into such positions in a real game.

  • Erika Silva

    Erika Silva

    Muaj më parë

    @Parag Tonger real or not, humans still cant force modern top engines into such positions.

  • Parag Tonger

    Parag Tonger

    Muaj më parë

    2 of the positions were real

  • Michael Allport

    Michael Allport

    2 muaj më parë

    Exactly right. Absurd waste of time.

  • proplayer

    proplayer

    2 muaj më parë

    Engines i know all about chess... Chess puzzles : right Chess puzzles : right?

  • Nickelodion DV
    Nickelodion DV3 muaj më parë

    13:49 you can push pawns because bishop is pinned and you can make 2nd queena nd take whites last pawn and win the game

  • Saneer Navab

    Saneer Navab

    2 muaj më parë

    Wdym? Black has no moves

  • aadit noronha
    aadit noronha3 muaj më parë

    3:19 if you were wondering, Qb2+ doesnt work here because of the winning plan to get the other rook to b2 (Kd1, Re2, Ke1, Kf2, Re1, Rc1, Rc2, Rb2) to prepare b5 and infiltrate on the 4th rank. Giving up the b pawn first also works

  • aaron mathew
    aaron mathew3 muaj më parë

    14:11 if pawn takes bishop then H2 is freed for the king right? So it isn't stalemate also the pawn can now move aswell

  • Sandro Rusch
    Sandro Rusch3 muaj më parë

    10:50 what if black doesn‘t take white‘s rook but plays rook A4 with check? shouldn‘t he then be able to give unlimited checks and if white captures black‘s rook it‘s stalemate?

  • Mitch Ronco
    Mitch Ronco3 muaj më parë

    Great content. Thank you.

  • Shailen Gibson
    Shailen Gibson3 muaj më parë

    nothing against this guy, but bring back simon williams!

  • Abhinav Rawat
    Abhinav Rawat3 muaj më parë

    m never playing with black pieces again never

  • Diogo Duarte
    Diogo Duarte3 muaj më parë

    Stockfish 13 found all the right moves with little to no effort. Yes! I'm fun at parties, leave me alone! :c

  • Drayx

    Drayx

    Muaj më parë

    Checking the data is sexy change my mind

  • סתיו שטרן

    סתיו שטרן

    Muaj më parë

    its about the evalutions, he said in the video the engine will say black/white is better not that it wont find the best moves.

  • Baraa Ashraf

    Baraa Ashraf

    2 muaj më parë

    these specific positions are added to the engine

  • Sartorius

    Sartorius

    3 muaj më parë

    Sometimes these famous positions are added to engines and this is why they know the solution

  • Jonatan Hellesø

    Jonatan Hellesø

    3 muaj më parë

    you must be fun at parties

  • Jarhead 71
    Jarhead 713 muaj më parë

    Stockfish can solve the first position, even when playing against itself, so like uh, did you actually try to test these on real engines?

  • Jarhead 71

    Jarhead 71

    3 muaj më parë

    @Raffaele Di Vora correct, which is why I’m confused they didn’t bother to test, at least the first position, on the most powerful engines that can totally solve it

  • Raffaele Di Vora

    Raffaele Di Vora

    3 muaj më parë

    The latest engines after they added in neural networks are usually able to gauge this kind of situations to some degree

  • Boris Gaming Channel
    Boris Gaming Channel3 muaj më parë

    Weren't they the ones calling us for mistakes, blunders, and missed wins? Now we need to capitalize the engines, see what they feel then .

  • Huy's Chess Corner
    Huy's Chess Corner3 muaj më parë

    The first position is so beautiful! I admit that even though I've discover so many positions that engines cannot solve, this one is astonishing. Thanks Sam!

  • CaffeineStu
    CaffeineStu3 muaj më parë

    Great idea for a video! thanks

  • TheEthan0077
    TheEthan00773 muaj më parë

    what happens if en passant in first position?? my head hurts

  • You Bruh’d
    You Bruh’d3 muaj më parë

    Oodles 😂

  • Cubii GG
    Cubii GG3 muaj më parë

    3:07 why promotion queen when he can “elpassan” or how its called !

  • Petr Walek

    Petr Walek

    3 muaj më parë

    After en passant: 1. Rxa2 bxa2 2.Kb2 +-

  • 瑞安

    瑞安

    3 muaj më parë

    bc rook b2 gives white a free path out

  • Robert Morneau
    Robert Morneau3 muaj më parë

    In the first board couldn't look sacrifice on G2 and then the other book goes G1 to capture the pawn and then the last rook can make its way around to capture pawns?

  • TogIsHere
    TogIsHere3 muaj më parë

    I'm so jealous about how people get in these positions. My games are always boring :(

  • Aldarones
    Aldarones3 muaj më parë

    In the first position can't black just en passant the pawn that moves 2 forward?

  • InfinityMax365

    InfinityMax365

    2 muaj më parë

    Yes it can, but I think it still leads to an issue of opening up a file that white is better equipped to take advantage of?

  • Corteum9000
    Corteum90003 muaj më parë

    Not all engines are made equal..... Tested: Stockfish 13 Dev-210530 + nn-7756374aaed3.nnue Position #1 - Solved in 0.001s @ 168 Mnps (Found both Kd1 and Rg2, as well as Qa2 and b4) Position #2 - Solved in 0.190s @ 90 Mnps (Found both Rc6 and b4) Position #3 - Solved in 0.151s @ 67 Mnps (Prefers h4 ftw, NOT a4) Position #4 - Solved in 6.988s @ 113 Mnps (Found a8B and Re6) Position #5 - Solved in 0.002s @ 122 Mnps (Found Ne4, Ng3, and Bb6)

  • Spaghet
    Spaghet3 muaj më parë

    In the first one when you do all those moves just to play b4 u can en passant protecting the pawn and tanking the b pawn

  • Slimani Zakaria
    Slimani Zakaria3 muaj më parë

    The last one is 🔥

  • J C
    J C3 muaj më parë

    great video! is it just me, or is the wag he speaks really unnatural? like he's reading a script or sth. Nothing wrong with that, just put me off while watching

  • Prince Elias Bulseco
    Prince Elias Bulseco3 muaj më parë

    First position is normal when you are a beginner

  • Jimmy Baja

    Jimmy Baja

    3 muaj më parë

    Hindi naman

  • flippert0

    flippert0

    3 muaj më parë

    Underrated comment

  • tell me more
    tell me more3 muaj më parë

    Well why doesn't black just take the rook the h pawn?

  • Industrial Quack
    Industrial Quack3 muaj më parë

    Wow I never thought that a bishop promotion would come in handy at any position!! Amazing solution for the 4th puzzle 😲😲😲

  • deidara _
    deidara _3 muaj më parë

    I wonder how AlphaZero evaluates these positions

  • Lilakou Parouko

    Lilakou Parouko

    2 muaj më parë

    Then try to put Leela Chess Zero on it.

  • Karina Dionne
    Karina Dionne3 muaj më parë

    48 white or black bishops on the same color is a draw, yet, the engine says +/-96.2 points of advantage. It's really funny.

  • Mal-2 KSC

    Mal-2 KSC

    Muaj më parë

    Considering there's no way within game rules to get more than nine white or black bishops on the same color, I think such oversights are completely understandable.

  • Phase0
    Phase03 muaj më parë

    At 10:27 cant the rook still take the bishop as pawn capture will be stalemate.

  • Phase0

    Phase0

    3 muaj më parë

    @Petr Walek I must have been tired i forgot that white could just checkmate lol.

  • Petr Walek

    Petr Walek

    3 muaj më parë

    Why would you take the rook tho?

  • Youtube Videos
    Youtube Videos3 muaj më parë

    Sam, you've taught me you don't know how to understand the output from a chess engine. Here's what I recommend to you. First, understand that stockfish doesn't display 0.0 for every drawn position. This should be easy, you have examples in this video. Second, learn how stockfish communicates that it sees a blockade. This should be easy, look at what stockfish displays for the first position in this video; a complete inability to make progress by moving. Third, teach people something useful for a change.

  • Spectrum Cubing
    Spectrum Cubing3 muaj më parë

    For the first one room g1 if pwan takes h3 takes g4 takes f5 so on so forth with wight to promote to queen

  • NBH
    NBH3 muaj më parë

    last position gave me an orgasm

  • Timothy Emeigh
    Timothy Emeigh3 muaj më parë

    Why does the Queen sac to G1 in the final position not lead to a win for black again? He mentioned the king not being able to get involved, but I'm not seeing how that matters. (Mind you, I'm not good at Chess, so this is curiosity, rather than saying he is wrong.)

  • Timothy Emeigh

    Timothy Emeigh

    3 muaj më parë

    @rooted _D Ah, gotcha. Makes sense. Thanks.

  • rooted _D

    rooted _D

    3 muaj më parë

    White king is able to pick up both pawns on the left, while neither the Black king nor the other 4 black pawns can move. Eventually it will be stalemate: no legal moves for black. Understandable? :)

  • roozbeh sharifzadeh
    roozbeh sharifzadeh3 muaj më parë

    what about artemiev game?

  • Quang Hoàng Minh
    Quang Hoàng Minh3 muaj më parë

    2:14 you forgot pawn takes rock on g2 with a fork and then promotes to a queen.

  • Pango

    Pango

    3 muaj më parë

    That doesn't work because after Rhg1, regardless of whether or not the pawn promotes it will be captured by the rook and white will break through with the h-file open

  • NBH
    NBH3 muaj më parë

    when you say chess engines you mean stockfish

  • Gourav Nigam
    Gourav Nigam3 muaj më parë

    last one was just wow!! i am a bit sad that i didnt pause and try to find that beauty by myself even if takes me days, all the other one i have solved but last one would be amazing if i saw that Bf2 after Qf8 defence, anyways thanks for amazing puzzles and i hope i will see some more puzzles like this in near future :)

  • 20LeeBrian1
    20LeeBrian13 muaj më parë

    This is the main reason why chess engines suck: it sucks at closed positions and blockades. It also sucks at STALEMATE ALERT positions.

  • Alda
    Alda3 muaj më parë

    The first position gave me claustrophobia

  • PETER Felsburk
    PETER Felsburk3 muaj më parë

    2:51 i feel so claustrophobic just watching it

  • Eric Lee
    Eric Lee3 muaj më parë

    0:42 Wait, what?!

  • Ice210
    Ice2103 muaj më parë

    In the first position, why can't you enpassant with the A pawn. Wouldn't that force a closed position where white can never win?

  • Adam Wu

    Adam Wu

    3 muaj më parë

    After that en passant capture, white can free his position up because his own a-pawn isn't blocked anymore. For example, after axb3 en passant, white could play Rxa2. Then after ...bxa2 Kb2, no matter what black does next, white will eventually be able either push a4 and get his N out via a3, or get his remaining R out via the now open b-file, after which winning is trivial.

  • Andy Mirza
    Andy Mirza3 muaj më parë

    you kinda look like a guy named johnny

  • Kendall Lingard
    Kendall Lingard3 muaj më parë

    what is the occasional beeping sound in the background?

  • AGenericAccount
    AGenericAccount3 muaj më parë

    I thought Lazard won that game?

  • Luqeesans
    Luqeesans3 muaj më parë

    10:58 why can't u just play rook takes bishop instead of pawn takes rook

  • Parker Scanlon

    Parker Scanlon

    3 muaj më parë

    After the king or pawn takes the rook, the only legal move is fxe6 again, and the endgame is easily winning for white

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